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Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 11:51:00 - [1] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 08/05/2008 11:53:43 Originally by: Gregoriuses Titans should be rare in EVE. 1 titan per alliance i say it should be and number of alliances should be limited Then what will happen is 1 man alliances with titans. Just transfering the issue insted of solving it. But even to transfer the issue, you have to define it, which has not been done. Basically, the guy got a titan and now that tortuga no longer exists, he is left with a expensive paperweight that requires a support fleet. All he can use it for is logistic stuff, so thats why he is whining in this forum and not Game Development forums. This thread is political to try and win support rather than discuss real game balance. If people are so worried about titan, they could form up some kind of coalition to stop people from building them. Yeah that could work I hear..... -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 12:04:00 - [2] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry especially given that they are now so common that people use them in ridiculous circumstances like RA using one to destroy a 10 man frigate gang we were roaming . If they did not use the titan, then they could have done a logon trap, used 100man blob or any number of "unfair" tactics that alliance warfare involves to kill that 10 man gang. When I fly solo around hostile space, the minimum ratio people use to engage me is around 5-1 otherwise they just logoff or dock up. Its not fair but then again, its never meant to be fair. Its meant to be effective. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 12:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Kalissa Edited by: Kalissa on 08/05/2008 12:27:01 The only area in which I think Titans would need nerfing is in the area of cyno jammers. Lets face it most big alliances now have multiple titans, all you need is a few at a cyno jammer and you have won the fight, the enemy will never ever be able to take the system. Wouldnt matter if the enemy brought 300 people and your fleet was just 5 strong, if they were titans you've won. Incorrect. Cynojammers are underpowered in my opinion. The initial downing of a Jammer is easy since nobody 24/7 365 days a year camps a jammer. Once the jammer is down (takes 5-10 mins) then you cyno your capitals in. Its a seige after all and in a seige, you keep your forces in system until sov drops. The only people moaning about cynojammers are the guys who, for some reason I cannot comprehend, cyno their captials out and wonder why they cannot move them back in again. This is not lvl4's people. You seige stations and expect both sides to get losses. Its a seige after all and not a NPC mission where everyone expects 100% safety. In the past, it was possible to reinforce whole regions without ever getting a capital fight, making a complete mockery of POS wars. Now Cynojammers forces capital fights since if you dont bring captials, then your crapfit fleets are going to get doomsdayed to hell and back. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:48:00 - [4] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 08/05/2008 13:48:46 Originally by: mama guru Originally by: Anna Valerios Originally by: ElrondMD Titans dont matter, its titans in Cyno Jammed systems that matter. Simple solution. Make a doomsday not work in a jammed system. fixed. Yes cos we didnt kill Oort with a bs fleet, 3 dreads are on the mail as far as I can see and they warped in as he was in armor. Yes but Oort didnt have the comfort of a cyno jammer and 6 other titans on the grid to get rid of that pesky BS fleet and the associated pods/reinforcements. You are aware that Oort was killed in a system that had a Cynojammer(disabled though) and multiple titans in it? -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Scavok DD's being nerfed in some fashion is inevitable as a single alliance being capable of instantly killing a capital fleet will ruin the very little fun that's left of large 0.0 combat. Who is to say that CCP will not modify caps to be resistant to Doomsdays or even boost Dreads? Every doom and gloom prediction of eve so far has turned out to be rubbish. Speaking of "the little fun that's left", how much fun do you feel tactics like logging off a fleet to avoid combat etc to be? -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 08/05/2008 19:55:25 Originally by: ardik except if you have multiple titans in which case its pretty much risk free under a cyno jammer. But hang on, without cynojammers, you return to the "risk free" old tactic of dreads to reinforce whole regions overnight then logging 20 jumps away. Is this what you want? You know, if multiple titans are camping a jammer after your initial downing of it, what is to stop you using dreadnaughts that you get cyno'ed in? Why cyno them out 20 jumps away? -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Astasia Orian Edited by: Astasia Orian on 08/05/2008 20:07:03 Originally by: Lord WarATron But hang on, without cynojammers, you return to the "risk free" old tactic of dreads to reinforce whole regions overnight then logging 20 jumps away. Is this what you want? When your peak is the West Coast USA graveyard shift then ofc this is what you want. Threadnaught is prolly the best way to get it, too! True. Im just waiting for the reaction when they nerf rats dropping t1 loot...... -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 08:13:00 - [8] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/05/2008 08:13:08 Originally by: Selnix Originally by: SirMolle For all of you who dont understand sarcasm /points above, a titan is supposed to be killed by CAPITAL ships, not FLEET ships. To kill a carrier, you bring dreads To kill dreads, you bring battleships To kill a mothership, you bring dreads To kill a titan, you bring dreads To kill a fleet, you bring carriers (in a capital sense of argument) Insert Sov III, POS Gunners and Cynojammers and you invalidate your argument. By your reasoning, so long as you have Sov III, Titans, Carriers, Motherships and Capital Fleets in general are not meant to be killable. When you incap the jammer, you cyno a capital fleet in and keep it there. You only need 5-10 mins to incap a jammer, and so far, nobody has had any major problem incaping a jammer by surprise since nobody camps a jammer 24/7 365 days a year. Only people who have problems are ones who would prefer reinforcing whole regions then cynoing 20 jumps away for risk free capital usage. In my opinion, Eddz has bought himself a limp leg. Tortuga dont exist anymore so he has a titan by no support fleet therefore its as useful as a limp......leg. All he can use it for is logistic stuff, so its in his best intrest to call for nerfs for any combat ability. But a Mod should move this thread to Features and Ideas discussion since its a pointless thread in COAD. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 09:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Void Seller Originally by: Lord WarATron nobody has had any major problem incaping a jammer by surprise since nobody camps a jammer 24/7 365 days a year. Use your brain before posting ghaelsto People camp Jammers 24/7 365 days a year? -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 10:14:00 - [10] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/05/2008 10:15:01 Originally by: Malachon Draco My response is: Show us some proof. Forget the bloody theorycrafting. Show us proof. Either by you, or by anyone else. NOL System. Cynojammer was taken down and Oort and Jabin and and a super blob of hostile capitals jumped in. Thats your proof. What went wrong was people cynoed out of NOL as they did not want to risk their caps. So insted of seiging the system for a couple of days so it drops sov, they simply packed their bags and left. Cynojammers force cap fights if the defenders want one, since titans obsolete crapfit ships. Strage how the people complaining most are those that were expecting the 2005/6 tactic of seiging pos's and cynoing out 20 jumps away out of danger for risk free cap usage as well as thouse who use t1 rat loot fitted cruisers and frigs. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:43:00 - [11] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/05/2008 11:43:21 Originally by: Brmble well least we can see where BoB's expertise lies: attacking strawmen You mean its not beating up your corpmates so much that they run to empire to emo rage on mining barges? -- Billion Isk Mission
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:54:00 - [12] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/05/2008 14:54:04 Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Depp Knight I will add nothing to this discussion except this. Why is this thread on CAOD? That one is easy to answer. The OP first clicked on the CAOD forum linky. Then he clicked on the post new topic linky. And then he wrote his message and posted it He asked 'Why' and not 'How'. -- Billion Isk Mission

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